1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,160 I guess Dr. Frank Stranges is considered to be one of the world's foremost authorities 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,260 on the UFO unidentified flying objects. 3 00:00:09,260 --> 00:00:14,180 He's the author of a controversial new book entitled Stranger in the Pentagon. 4 00:00:14,180 --> 00:00:16,140 And this is the book. 5 00:00:16,140 --> 00:00:18,720 And Dr. I don't think there's anybody stranger than you are. 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,220 Well, I appreciate that very much coming from you. 7 00:00:21,220 --> 00:00:24,420 I've often thought that your name was a phony, but apparently it's not. 8 00:00:24,420 --> 00:00:25,700 No, it's not Joseph. 9 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:26,700 It's Frank Stranges. 10 00:00:26,700 --> 00:00:27,700 It really is, huh? 11 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:28,700 Yes, sir. 12 00:00:28,700 --> 00:00:31,880 And you have been at this now for how many years? 13 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,040 Approximately 21 years, beginning in 1945. 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,800 Has it been profitable for you? 15 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,860 It's been profitable, yes, to the extent where I've had an opportunity to speak to many thousands 16 00:00:40,860 --> 00:00:43,240 of people throughout the entire world about UFOs. 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,480 It's almost like a man going about the country making a living out of telling people about 18 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:48,480 Flash Gordon. 19 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:51,240 Well, that's true, but there's one basic difference. 20 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,560 Flash Gordon is science fiction. 21 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,720 This is science fact. 22 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:55,720 Prove it. 23 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:56,720 Prove it. 24 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:57,720 Disprove it. 25 00:00:57,740 --> 00:00:59,240 Disprove Flash Gordon. 26 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,240 You prove that I'm false. 27 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,900 I can prove Flash Gordon is real because I can tear him out of the newspaper and hand 28 00:01:03,900 --> 00:01:04,900 him to you. 29 00:01:04,900 --> 00:01:07,200 Now, you tear off a hunk of a flying saucer and hand it to me. 30 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:12,120 I'll tear off a hunk of a bunch of scientists here that concur with us that space communications 31 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:17,620 are inevitable and that perhaps space communications with people from other worlds might be very 32 00:01:17,620 --> 00:01:20,620 detrimental as well as upsetting to the peoples of this planet. 33 00:01:20,620 --> 00:01:21,620 Entirely possible. 34 00:01:21,620 --> 00:01:23,900 As a matter of fact, we have a giant radio telescope someplace. 35 00:01:23,900 --> 00:01:25,140 It used to be in Virginia. 36 00:01:25,140 --> 00:01:26,140 Yes. 37 00:01:26,140 --> 00:01:30,360 We've been out there, different series of code messages, hoping years from now to get 38 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:35,440 back some other kind of a message and receiving in whatever noises are coming from outer space. 39 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,640 But in the meantime, you're going around giving people the impression that the flying saucers 40 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,320 are here now, aren't you? 41 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:42,720 Not only I, but many others. 42 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,360 Well, there are lots of people in your field. 43 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,360 Oh, yes. 44 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,360 There are many people in our field of UFO investigation. 45 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:54,320 I remember one time there was a lady in Phoenix, Arizona, and she was selling postcards of a 46 00:01:54,340 --> 00:01:57,060 flying saucer just hovering above some trees. 47 00:01:57,060 --> 00:02:01,020 I had an analyze and that flying saucer was superimposed over the trees and what it was 48 00:02:01,020 --> 00:02:02,940 was the top of the lady's vacuum cleaner. 49 00:02:02,940 --> 00:02:03,940 Yes, you had a photograph. 50 00:02:03,940 --> 00:02:06,740 She was getting a buck of card, not bad. 51 00:02:06,740 --> 00:02:10,620 That proves that there are just as many phonies in the UFO field as there are in the telecasting 52 00:02:10,620 --> 00:02:11,620 business. 53 00:02:11,620 --> 00:02:12,620 Well, how do we know that you're not a phony? 54 00:02:12,620 --> 00:02:18,620 We're also from past experience and judging from the fact that we've been attested and 55 00:02:18,620 --> 00:02:23,620 analyzed by qualified individuals, professors, and teachers, even attorneys, as I said to 56 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:26,520 once before in your radio program. 57 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:27,520 Attorneys have tested you? 58 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:28,520 Yes. 59 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,520 How many tested you? 60 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,800 In other words, they take to some total of what I'm speaking about. 61 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,920 Any account that we tell the public about, they take the time and the effort and the 62 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:41,400 finance to check up to find out whether Frank Strange is blowing out in cold at the same 63 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,600 time or whether he actually has some facts, figures, names, dates, and places and events. 64 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,760 Well, Frank Strange will give you names, dates, and places up to a certain point and then 65 00:02:50,780 --> 00:02:55,500 suddenly Frank Strange evaporates and there's no way to check out past that. 66 00:02:55,500 --> 00:03:00,620 For example, let's talk about the stranger at the Pentagon whose name is Valiant Thor, 67 00:03:00,620 --> 00:03:01,620 T-H-O-R. 68 00:03:01,620 --> 00:03:03,660 Now, how did he come to your attention? 69 00:03:03,660 --> 00:03:07,540 He came to my attention the first time when this photograph was given to me by August 70 00:03:07,540 --> 00:03:12,980 C. Roberts, who resides and is a newspaper reporter and photographer in Wayne, New Jersey. 71 00:03:12,980 --> 00:03:14,980 That also happens to be your own photographer. 72 00:03:14,980 --> 00:03:16,220 Yes, he's a photographer. 73 00:03:16,220 --> 00:03:19,260 Therefore, our less reliable witness because he works for you, right? 74 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,720 He's a photographer, our organization, the National Investigations Committee on UFOs. 75 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,080 And he gave me this photograph and he said, this is a fellow whose photograph we took 76 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,960 at a place called Highbridge, New Jersey. 77 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,560 And he said, this man was very unusual. 78 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,720 I said, that and the self is not too conclusive. 79 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,520 But the fact is that this fellow, when I met him several years later in Washington, had 80 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:46,320 no fingerprints on either hand and he claimed to have been there ending March 16, 1960 for 81 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,440 the period of three years. 82 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:52,300 Highbridge, New Jersey, isn't that the place where there was also a man who used to go 83 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:57,580 on the radio and talk about bringing an 800 pound dog back from the moon and a potato 84 00:03:57,580 --> 00:03:58,900 that weighed 200 pounds? 85 00:03:58,900 --> 00:04:02,860 No, I think you're confused with a little fellow down the backwoods of Missouri. 86 00:04:02,860 --> 00:04:05,460 No, this was Highbridge, New Jersey. 87 00:04:05,460 --> 00:04:07,900 And he said that the saucers used to come down his backyard. 88 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:10,060 I'll never forget Highbridge, New Jersey. 89 00:04:10,060 --> 00:04:12,380 This fellow used to go on different programs in New York. 90 00:04:12,380 --> 00:04:14,860 No, I haven't heard this about the fellow in New Jersey. 91 00:04:14,860 --> 00:04:16,580 I heard this about the fellow in Missouri. 92 00:04:16,580 --> 00:04:17,580 Did you meet Valiant Thorne? 93 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:18,840 Yes, I did. 94 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:20,760 I spoke with him for the period of 30 minutes. 95 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,260 And did you look at his fingertips? 96 00:04:22,260 --> 00:04:28,400 I looked at his fingertips and he had no scars, no burn marks, no bruises, in fact, no fingerprints 97 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,560 on any of his 10 fingers. 98 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:31,880 Did you photograph his fingers? 99 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,360 No, I didn't because I had no photographic equipment. 100 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,200 Remember, this was the inside of the Pentagon building where he took the camera and the 101 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,200 photograph. 102 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,480 The man didn't get his fingerprints. 103 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,480 Because at the time he was taking these photographs, he did not know that Valiant Thorne had no 104 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,480 fingerprints. 105 00:04:46,700 --> 00:04:47,700 Who finally told him? 106 00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:52,620 I believe he found out the last day that Val was there at this meeting, which happened 107 00:04:52,620 --> 00:04:57,220 to have taken place behind the home of one Howard Menger, who's also a UFO researcher 108 00:04:57,220 --> 00:04:58,220 in Wayne, New Jersey. 109 00:04:58,220 --> 00:05:02,620 Howard Menger is the fellow who used to come from Highbridge, New Jersey, isn't he? 110 00:05:02,620 --> 00:05:03,620 Yes. 111 00:05:03,620 --> 00:05:05,620 Isn't he the one with the 800-pound dog from the moon? 112 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:06,620 That I don't know. 113 00:05:06,620 --> 00:05:08,460 I've never heard that about Mr. Menger. 114 00:05:08,460 --> 00:05:11,820 Yes, and the Highbridge, New Jersey was his former home, as I recall. 115 00:05:11,820 --> 00:05:12,820 Yes, that's right. 116 00:05:12,820 --> 00:05:15,220 Now, now, it's all coming back to you, isn't it? 117 00:05:15,220 --> 00:05:16,220 Not about the dog. 118 00:05:16,220 --> 00:05:21,240 That's amazing, that news that Howard Menger with these rile things happening in the large 119 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,360 potato and the 800-pound dog, and the saucer's coming into his backyard, right? 120 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:26,360 That's right. 121 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:27,360 We've seen that so many things. 122 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,120 And suddenly, Highbridge, New Jersey that nobody ever heard of before, we hear of it 123 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,120 once again. 124 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:38,160 This time Val Thorne, a mysterious person with no fingerprints, who comes from another world, 125 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,160 eh? 126 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,160 That's right. 127 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,160 Ding-a-ling, doctor. 128 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,160 Don't touch me. 129 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,160 Ding-a-ling-a-ling. 130 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,160 Oh, I wouldn't touch you for the world. 131 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:47,100 You'll have an explosion. 132 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:52,020 Now, doctor, tell us where we could find Val Thorne right now, please. 133 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:56,340 At the present time, Val Thorne is residing in Southern California in the city called 134 00:05:56,340 --> 00:05:57,340 Al-Tibina. 135 00:05:57,340 --> 00:05:58,340 I see. 136 00:05:58,340 --> 00:05:59,340 And what is Mr. Thorne's address? 137 00:05:59,340 --> 00:06:04,740 I have no idea of his address, no idea of his telephone number, not even his zip code. 138 00:06:04,740 --> 00:06:09,060 And yet, you have made a statement that Mr. Thorne comes to see you once a week. 139 00:06:09,060 --> 00:06:14,420 Yes, he comes to Van Nuys on the average of once a week before I left for Europe. 140 00:06:14,420 --> 00:06:15,880 So he knows where you live. 141 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:16,880 Yes. 142 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:17,880 And he has your phone number? 143 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:18,880 Yes, he does. 144 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,380 But you don't have Val Thorne's phone number? 145 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:23,480 No, I don't, because, eh, let's strike you as rather peculiar. 146 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:29,520 Yes, it did at first, but not now, because there would be people who would no doubt form 147 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:35,920 a line in front of his door many miles long, especially executives and people who are perhaps 148 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,920 desiring to further themselves in different fields of technology, science and what have 149 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:40,920 you. 150 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,700 And I don't think that this particular time Val is interested in running an answering 151 00:06:45,700 --> 00:06:47,100 service at his front door. 152 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:53,300 You see, ladies and gentlemen, but I mean, you go so far and then Dr. Strange evaporates 153 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:54,700 before your very eyes. 154 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:57,620 Joseph, would you rather I tell you a lie that has addressed me? 155 00:06:57,620 --> 00:07:01,740 I challenge you to bring Val Thorne here without his address. 156 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:04,660 Just bring him here and show me his mitts with no fingerprints. 157 00:07:04,660 --> 00:07:08,060 All right, I would suggest that if you ever announce that you're going to have Val Thorne 158 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,160 here to show you better get the Shrine Auditorium. 159 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:17,160 And the reason I say this is because many thousands of outpoken apatres, right? 160 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,160 And that's very possible. 161 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,160 I wouldn't make this a problem. 162 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,000 You realize what would happen here in the fountain water there? 163 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,840 You realize what would happen in Los Angeles and the state of California in the United 164 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,800 States if suddenly there appeared a notice in the paper that tomorrow evening Val Thorne 165 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,400 from Venus, whom Dr. Strange has been talking about, will appear on the Joe Fine show. 166 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,460 What would you suppose would happen? 167 00:07:38,460 --> 00:07:40,460 Strange is, I'll tell you the truth. 168 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:44,020 If you could get Val Thorne, you wouldn't be fooling around with Joe Fine. 169 00:07:44,020 --> 00:07:48,100 You'd hire the auditorium, you'd print the tickets, and you'd make all the money because 170 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:50,100 you're not about making money out of fine cards. 171 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:56,420 I take issue with you because if I were about to do that, I wouldn't wait until today to 172 00:07:56,420 --> 00:07:57,900 even pursue that thought. 173 00:07:57,900 --> 00:08:02,420 I would have done it many years ago if I were going to use Val Thorne as a money making 174 00:08:02,420 --> 00:08:04,420 gimmick to crowd out the Shrine Auditorium. 175 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:05,940 I'll tell you what we'll do. 176 00:08:05,940 --> 00:08:09,920 You bring him here and we'll just have a few official witnesses and we won't tell anybody 177 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,000 until after the show is already taped. 178 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 All right? 179 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,000 You know you're not going to bring him here. 180 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,160 I'll do this much. 181 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,200 I will give him your message. 182 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,560 All right? 183 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,560 What more could I do? 184 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,560 What more could I do? 185 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,600 And then he'll say, you come back and say, sorry Joe, he just won't appear. 186 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,400 But I urge him to appear, but he will be back to the strange Dr. Strange's who doesn't 187 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,380 fool me following these words. 188 00:08:36,380 --> 00:08:38,380 They invite him. 189 00:08:38,380 --> 00:08:48,260 Now this unusual man without the fingerprints, Val Thorne, who comes to your home, but you're 190 00:08:48,260 --> 00:08:55,140 never invited to his, which is kind of a, he's telling you something socially, I guess. 191 00:08:55,140 --> 00:08:58,140 This unusual fellow is, he has been at the Pentagon. 192 00:08:58,140 --> 00:08:59,140 Is that right? 193 00:08:59,140 --> 00:09:00,340 He has for three years. 194 00:09:00,340 --> 00:09:05,600 Now, see, you could have planted him in a rose garden someplace, or you could have said 195 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:11,520 that Val Thorne was discovered sitting in the loges section of a certain motion picture 196 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:12,520 theater. 197 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,320 But that wouldn't have helped you get a book out like this one. 198 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,760 And that wouldn't have helped you draw in people whom you will tell about Val Thorne. 199 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,880 In other words, you don't want to make money out of Val Thorne. 200 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,160 You just write a book about him. 201 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,160 All right? 202 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,080 And then you don't want to make money out of Val Thorne. 203 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:33,660 So after you write the book, you go and lecture on the book, which is all about Val Thorne. 204 00:09:33,660 --> 00:09:35,180 But you don't want to make money on it. 205 00:09:35,180 --> 00:09:39,620 Now, let me just check and see what this book is being given away for. 206 00:09:39,620 --> 00:09:40,620 What do you give it away for? 207 00:09:40,620 --> 00:09:42,220 I don't give it away except to... 208 00:09:42,220 --> 00:09:47,580 No, you mean you charge for this book and television commentators and people who want 209 00:09:47,580 --> 00:09:48,580 to give it a review. 210 00:09:48,580 --> 00:09:49,900 Yeah, what is the charge for this book? 211 00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:52,980 At Pickwick Bookshop in Hollywood, that book goes for $4. 212 00:09:52,980 --> 00:09:55,620 What does it go for in Denver? 213 00:09:55,620 --> 00:09:57,180 In Denver, it goes for $4. 214 00:09:57,180 --> 00:09:58,180 It's also $4. 215 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,680 Because you cannot buy for just a pittance of monies some of the photographs that are 216 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:05,680 found in this book. 217 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:09,320 Now, he wouldn't make any money out of Val Thorne. 218 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,200 Four bucks a pop for this. 219 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,080 And what do you charge them to get into the lecture when you're talking about this book? 220 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,540 Well, the past few lectures that we've held throughout the country, people have walked 221 00:10:17,540 --> 00:10:19,080 in without paying a dime. 222 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,960 But they have been invited to make a donation. 223 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:21,960 No, sir. 224 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,960 Not at many of the meetings, especially at the State of California. 225 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:25,960 That's exactly right. 226 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,000 And somebody has paid you to be there, haven't they? 227 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Yes, I've been invited. 228 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Ah! 229 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,000 In other words, there has been money. 230 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,000 Sure. 231 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,100 You're making money out of Val Thorne. 232 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:37,820 I'm making money off of the UFO subject. 233 00:10:37,820 --> 00:10:38,820 And because of the 21 years of research... 234 00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:41,260 Stranger, he's finally got his Val Thorne, Dr. Stranger. 235 00:10:41,260 --> 00:10:42,260 That's exactly right. 236 00:10:42,260 --> 00:10:44,420 Listen to this introduction. 237 00:10:44,420 --> 00:10:45,660 And I'll tell you something else. 238 00:10:45,660 --> 00:10:47,660 He really doesn't touch my copy. 239 00:10:47,660 --> 00:10:52,660 I want to read you this. 240 00:10:52,660 --> 00:10:56,060 Now, you've got to really have a sense of humor to go along with this. 241 00:10:56,060 --> 00:10:59,680 People...people do believe this fellow is strangest. 242 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:02,200 My name is Val Thorne. 243 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,680 I'm a native of the planet you call Venus. 244 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:11,520 Now, the Griffith Park Observatory, so there's absolutely no atmosphere and no human being 245 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,480 could possibly live on Venus. 246 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,520 And the Jet Propulsion Lab said it's too early to draw any conclusion about the surface 247 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:18,920 temperature of the planet Venus. 248 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,920 They better call up the Griffith Park Observatory. 249 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:21,920 Oh, yes. 250 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,600 Griffith Observatory made a trip there last week, I suppose. 251 00:11:24,620 --> 00:11:26,100 Let me go on with this introduction. 252 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:27,100 You see how he had just... 253 00:11:27,100 --> 00:11:28,100 I'm not hedging. 254 00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:29,100 I'm reading this introduction. 255 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:30,980 Your work will have to stand for itself. 256 00:11:30,980 --> 00:11:31,980 Pardon me. 257 00:11:31,980 --> 00:11:35,300 It says, Venus, it is not too unlike your Earth. 258 00:11:35,300 --> 00:11:38,940 In fact, we still enjoy the air-conditioned atmosphere the Earth had before the Great 259 00:11:38,940 --> 00:11:39,940 Flood. 260 00:11:39,940 --> 00:11:43,860 Apparently before no, we were all air-conditioned. 261 00:11:43,860 --> 00:11:45,980 I'm on a special mission to this planet. 262 00:11:45,980 --> 00:11:50,620 We're over 70 a number, and there are certain Earth friends working with us. 263 00:11:50,620 --> 00:11:53,620 Guess who, huh? 264 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,440 In order to protect them, their names, etc., have been changed. 265 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,600 A typical strangest trick. 266 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,480 I have also related several incidents directly involving UFOs or flying saucers, as you call 267 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,480 them. 268 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,600 Those involved in each case have also been renamed to protect them against unscrupulous 269 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:16,000 individuals who delight in making life miserable for the innocent victims of circumstance. 270 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000 Guess who? 271 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000 Ha, ha, ha. 272 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,640 Let's get this. 273 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:25,820 The United Nations delegates were stunned to the point of sheer anger mixed with fear. 274 00:12:25,820 --> 00:12:28,340 But go ahead, read on. 275 00:12:28,340 --> 00:12:31,620 Your personal reaction will be interesting for us to record. 276 00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:36,660 The following pages will reveal much, at least to those who are capable of discerning knowledge, 277 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:38,980 wisdom, and above all understanding. 278 00:12:38,980 --> 00:12:43,380 To these friends, I say, and here he really gets it, God bless you. 279 00:12:43,380 --> 00:12:46,060 To all others, God help you. 280 00:12:46,060 --> 00:12:47,060 Signed valiant. 281 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,480 Doctors, strangers. 282 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:50,980 Be careful with that. 283 00:12:50,980 --> 00:12:52,980 Don't touch my coffee. 284 00:12:54,980 --> 00:13:01,240 Do you...I mean, really, I can pick your people involved in this flying saucer business, but 285 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,080 do they have to be that corny? 286 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,480 Joe, let me tell you a little bit of a... 287 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,480 Yes, tell me that. 288 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,480 I'm not going to believe you, but tell me. 289 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:08,480 I'm going to small truth. 290 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:09,480 All right. 291 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:10,480 Okay. 292 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:15,840 I met this man at the Pentagon in December of 1959. 293 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,460 He was the top secret pilot at the moment. 294 00:13:18,460 --> 00:13:21,340 Don't interrupt me just yet, please. 295 00:13:21,340 --> 00:13:24,260 I spoke with him for a period of 30 minutes. 296 00:13:24,260 --> 00:13:30,460 Everything he said, his impression upon me, the fact that he had no fingerprints, his 297 00:13:30,460 --> 00:13:35,580 knowledge of things that I hardly knew anything about, speaking of nuclear fusion, nuclear 298 00:13:35,580 --> 00:13:36,580 fission, and... 299 00:13:36,580 --> 00:13:37,580 What was it? 300 00:13:37,580 --> 00:13:38,580 Fusion or fission? 301 00:13:38,580 --> 00:13:39,580 Golf. 302 00:13:39,580 --> 00:13:40,580 Was it a kick? 303 00:13:40,580 --> 00:13:41,580 Golf. 304 00:13:41,580 --> 00:13:42,580 Yes. 305 00:13:42,580 --> 00:13:47,380 The facts and figures concerning Venus, which are now being revealed slightly... 306 00:13:47,380 --> 00:13:49,060 What's the latest on Venus, Doctor? 307 00:13:49,060 --> 00:13:52,060 Don't interrupt me. 308 00:13:52,060 --> 00:13:55,940 I'm totally convinced that this man is everything that he said he was. 309 00:13:55,940 --> 00:14:02,460 Now, what troubles me is the fact that no one...I repeat, no one at the Pentagon has 310 00:14:02,460 --> 00:14:06,860 refuted this story since we started telling it in 1959. 311 00:14:06,860 --> 00:14:10,140 What was the point of finding themselves to do that? 312 00:14:10,140 --> 00:14:14,060 They say, well, that's Frank Strange as he's playing to a bunch of those old people. 313 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:19,260 It would take one official letter from the CIA, which of course you know is confusion 314 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:25,540 and action, one letter from them or the U.S. Air Force or anyone in any official position 315 00:14:25,540 --> 00:14:28,820 to say, forget it, it's just a science fiction story. 316 00:14:28,820 --> 00:14:29,820 That's right. 317 00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:34,380 And on top of that, on Tuesday when I left Washington, D.C., the minister of the church 318 00:14:34,420 --> 00:14:40,180 where I was speaking and several associates came to help me from the hotel to the airport 319 00:14:40,180 --> 00:14:46,060 and two men identifying themselves as Air Force intelligence warned me in front of witnesses, 320 00:14:46,060 --> 00:14:51,340 if you value your reputation, do not repeat one word of what happened to you at the Pentagon 321 00:14:51,340 --> 00:14:52,340 Thursday morning. 322 00:14:52,340 --> 00:14:56,340 We'll be back to the spooky, Doctor Frank Strange is following these words. 323 00:14:56,340 --> 00:14:57,340 Sir. 324 00:14:57,340 --> 00:14:58,340 Leslie Kaepern. 325 00:14:58,340 --> 00:15:04,340 Yes, could you speak a little bit louder, sir? 326 00:15:04,340 --> 00:15:05,340 Leslie Kaepern. 327 00:15:05,340 --> 00:15:06,340 Yes, sir. 328 00:15:06,340 --> 00:15:16,100 I just wanted to mention that in 1956 after the Hungarian Revolution, a woman immigrated 329 00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:22,500 to this country and every immigrant has to give fingerprints. 330 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:27,460 And neither the immigration authorities nor the FBI nor the police were able to get any 331 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:29,340 fingerprints from her. 332 00:15:29,340 --> 00:15:34,860 There are some people, Earthlings, who have no fingerprints. 333 00:15:34,860 --> 00:15:38,420 And she's an Earthling and I know her well and she's living on the East Coast. 334 00:15:38,420 --> 00:15:39,860 So I'm not going to dispute that. 335 00:15:39,860 --> 00:15:44,340 The only argument I have is with Doctor Strange who comes up with these strange people but 336 00:15:44,340 --> 00:15:45,740 can never produce them. 337 00:15:45,740 --> 00:15:49,500 They're always located someplace but he doesn't have their address. 338 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:54,260 And it doesn't seem likely to you that he would have a man who's visiting him every 339 00:15:54,260 --> 00:16:00,260 week who has his phone number, his address, who would not give Doctor Strange his address 340 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:01,260 and phone number. 341 00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:02,860 Can you imagine anything like that? 342 00:16:02,860 --> 00:16:05,500 What is your reaction to that? 343 00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:10,060 Well, the doctor putting us on, isn't he? 344 00:16:10,060 --> 00:16:12,500 Would you say this was possible at all? 345 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:13,500 No, I don't think so. 346 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:15,020 You think it's totally impossible? 347 00:16:15,020 --> 00:16:22,940 I think so because the latest JPL findings were that Venus is practically not rotating 348 00:16:22,940 --> 00:16:25,220 just like Mercury. 349 00:16:25,220 --> 00:16:30,300 And one side is extremely hot and the other side is extremely cold. 350 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:35,740 Although the surface temperature is not too hot. 351 00:16:35,740 --> 00:16:39,780 But it's practically right 800 degrees, have you not? 352 00:16:39,780 --> 00:16:43,100 Well it does rotate something but not as we believed it before. 353 00:16:43,220 --> 00:16:48,220 I'll tell you, if I wonder what comes from there, he's a ball of fire. 354 00:16:48,220 --> 00:16:52,220 But as far as the fingerprints are concerned, there are people without fingerprints and 355 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:54,820 this woman has no fingerprints whatsoever. 356 00:16:54,820 --> 00:16:57,100 But she's definitely from Earth. 357 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:58,100 Definitely from Earth. 358 00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:59,100 Thank you very much. 359 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:00,100 Thank you. 360 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:01,100 Yes, would you pull Mike down? 361 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:02,100 It's a little high for you. 362 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:03,100 Give it your name please. 363 00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:05,100 Sirithanne Hatcher. 364 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:08,100 Doctor Strange is, Mr. Strange is rather... 365 00:17:08,100 --> 00:17:10,100 Call me Frank, will you? 366 00:17:10,100 --> 00:17:15,100 It says here in his book that he's a PhD with a Doctor of Psychology and Philosophy Degrees. 367 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:16,100 From where? 368 00:17:16,100 --> 00:17:20,100 It says here, where'd you get him from? 369 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:25,100 Faith Bible College and Theological Seminary Fort Lauderdale, Florida. 370 00:17:25,100 --> 00:17:31,100 I have information to affect that that is a non-accredited school but that isn't why I'm here. 371 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:34,100 Yes, back up please. 372 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:36,100 Who said this is not accredited? 373 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:38,100 I'm afraid your information is misleading. 374 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:39,100 Here's Frank again. 375 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:40,100 All right, I will. 376 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:44,100 Were you or were you not convicted for male fraud? 377 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:47,100 No, that's an absolute fallacy. 378 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:49,100 May I refer to... 379 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:50,100 Well, wait a minute, Doctor. 380 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:52,100 You were convicted but then the record was later expounded. 381 00:17:52,100 --> 00:17:54,100 Yes, but not of a male fraud. 382 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:55,100 This is a false statement. 383 00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:56,100 No, you were... 384 00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:57,100 This was not what you were... 385 00:17:57,100 --> 00:18:04,100 This involved the violation of our organization called the International Evangelism Crusades 386 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:12,100 in presenting a Doctor of Divinity to ordained ministers who have served for many years in their individual churches and parishes. 387 00:18:12,100 --> 00:18:18,100 You see, our organization is accredited and our organization is also bonafide by the federal government 388 00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:23,100 where it recognizes a tax-exempt, federally tax-exempt religious nonprofit organization. 389 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:26,100 Are you still sending out these Doctor of Divinity certificates? 390 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:27,100 No, we don't. 391 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:29,100 We don't send these from our organization. 392 00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:31,100 How about you were stopped as a result of that conviction? 393 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:32,100 Yes. 394 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:34,100 All right. 395 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:36,100 Go on. 396 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:37,100 Uh, I've... 397 00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:40,100 What code was this violation of my... 398 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:41,100 I asked. 399 00:18:41,100 --> 00:18:43,100 Ma'am, I don't remember the exact code. 400 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:44,100 It was the... 401 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:45,100 Do you have a lot of... 402 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:47,100 I don't know whether I have the... 403 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:49,100 What's this got to do with flying saucers, Ma'am? 404 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:51,100 I ask you, please. 405 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:53,100 I didn't say I had anything to do with flying saucers. 406 00:18:53,100 --> 00:18:55,100 Well, that's what I'd prefer to answer today. 407 00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:57,100 Any questions concerning unidentified flying saucers? 408 00:18:57,100 --> 00:19:01,100 No, we don't have the code. 409 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:03,100 All right. 410 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:06,100 Doctor Strange is... 411 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:09,100 In the... 412 00:19:09,100 --> 00:19:10,100 Let's see. 413 00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:13,100 What year did you attend... 414 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:15,100 Williams College? 415 00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:16,100 Williams College. 416 00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:18,100 I never did attend Williams College. 417 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:21,100 I spoke at their baccalaureate service many years ago, 418 00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:24,100 and they awarded me an honorary Doctor of Divinity degree 419 00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:26,100 for my services rendered. 420 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:28,100 That's near San Francisco. 421 00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:30,100 You could have given yourself one. 422 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:32,100 Yes, but I never did. 423 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:33,100 Didn't have to. 424 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:35,100 That's right. I hold about four of them now. 425 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:37,100 That's what young lady looks like. 426 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:39,100 She walks around with a dossier on you. 427 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:40,100 Yeah, that leads to all. 428 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:41,100 Thank you very much. 429 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:42,100 You're very welcome. 430 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:44,100 Yes, sir. Come forward, raise the microphone, please, 431 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:45,100 and give us your name. 432 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:46,100 My name is Pat Covey, 433 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:49,100 and I would like to know if this floor gentleman 434 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:54,100 is any relation to the gentleman that's been saying 435 00:19:54,100 --> 00:19:57,100 that the world is supposed to come to an end 436 00:19:57,100 --> 00:19:59,100 before Christmas or something like that. 437 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:00,100 Mr. Thor? 438 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:02,100 Yes, this is E plus V. 439 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:05,100 No, I have no idea who you're speaking about, sir. 440 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:07,100 Mr. Thor, the man, the value of Thor, the man that's been saying that. 441 00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:09,100 Yes, but who's the one he's talking about 442 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:12,100 who's been speaking about the coming of the world coming to an end? 443 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:13,100 I have no such knowledge. 444 00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:14,100 Seven people have. 445 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:16,100 Well, there's about 300 people, I believe, in Norway, 446 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:18,100 digging some type of tunnel for... 447 00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:20,100 or digging some type of shelter. 448 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:21,100 Yes, we heard about that in Sweden. 449 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:22,100 Well, there are always people... 450 00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:24,100 They're always digging caves and stuff like that. 451 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:26,100 The world's always coming to an end every weekend. 452 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:27,100 Yeah. 453 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:29,100 I'm sure that if the world's coming to an end, 454 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:31,100 Dr. Strange will be glad to let you know. 455 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:32,100 Yes, sir. 456 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:33,100 On the job line, too. 457 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:34,100 On the job... 458 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:35,100 You'll hear it here first. 459 00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:36,100 Yes, sir, come forward, give us your name. 460 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:38,100 My name is Richard Heerberg, I'm a student at Cal State Long Beach. 461 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:42,100 I'd like to ask you if you feel that you're persecuted by these people. 462 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:44,100 By what people, sir? 463 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:45,100 Val, is that his name? 464 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:46,100 Persecuted? No. 465 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:48,100 By coming to see you. 466 00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:52,100 How about the people when you try to explain this to most people? 467 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:53,100 Do they believe you? 468 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:55,100 I've explained this in universities and colleges 469 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:57,100 and in schools across the United States and Canada 470 00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:59,100 and several foreign countries. 471 00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:01,100 Thus far, it's had such a tremendous reaction 472 00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:03,100 because people want to know more about it. 473 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,100 And when we start our own television show, 474 00:21:05,100 --> 00:21:07,100 which will be sometime next year, 475 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:09,100 we'll have more time to go into all the facets, 476 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:12,100 the many facets of this strange UFO subject. 477 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:13,100 Do people laugh at you? 478 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:14,100 Not yet. 479 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:15,100 Just me. 480 00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:16,100 Yes, thank you. 481 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:17,100 We have one minute, sir. 482 00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:18,100 Your name, please. 483 00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:19,100 Yes, Dr. Strange is... 484 00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:20,100 Your name? 485 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:21,100 David Branch. 486 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:23,100 What group are you with? 487 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:26,100 I'm with the National Investigations Committee on UFOs 488 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:29,100 and the church group is the International Evangelism Crusade. 489 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:32,100 Since you have one minute, I'll have to make this brief. 490 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:35,100 I talked with the Bible Institute of Los Angeles this afternoon. 491 00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:39,100 They have no record of a faith theological seminary in Florida 492 00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:41,100 as being an accredited school. 493 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:44,100 Secondly, I would like to point out that your group, 494 00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:46,100 I would like to emphasize, is not to be confused 495 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:50,100 with the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena. 496 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:51,100 No, that's NICAP. 497 00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:53,100 That's over in Washington, New York. 498 00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:55,100 You were at the NICAP, were you not, Dr.... 499 00:21:55,100 --> 00:22:00,100 Yes, my membership was revoked because I for one could not go along 500 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:04,100 with the fact that they did not accept UFO contactee stories 501 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:06,100 as part of the ten-a-week campaign. 502 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:09,100 Well, it was revoked because you made the claims in a context 503 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:11,100 implying endorsement by NICAP. 504 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:12,100 This is absolutely false. 505 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:14,100 Doctor, we have things for me, but no... 506 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:17,100 We have to say goodbye to the stranger at the Pentagon. 507 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:20,100 Therefore, ooh, so I'm sad.